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Gossip from the Oct. 6-10 training camp

Posted on: October 10, 2008

**Updated 10/12**

The most recent training camp took place at the Karolyi ranch this week, with all of the Olympians absent except for Bridget Sloan (sorry). Here’s the news I’ve gleaned, with some commentary:

Gymnasts present

Chelsea Davis:

Davis is apparently doing a double layout on floor! This is one of my favorite skills, and we didn’t see enough of it last quad. Apparently she also upgraded on bars, adding a Geinger and a Hindorff (for those who are unclear, a Hindorff is a free hip circle to Tkatchev, a pretty rare — and cool — skill). (ETA 10/12: Davis says that she verified the Hindorff only on the pit bar.) This is an important upgrade because she has nice lines and form on bar, but at Jesolo for instance was only competing a Jaeger release. ETA 10/12: Here is a great interview that Anne over at the great Gymnastike did with Davis about this camp.

This is Yulia Kut (USSR) doing a Hindorff (the first release in this routine), 1988:

Ivana Hong:

Hong is rumored to be at the camp but without a coach or gym. It’s hard to say where Hong will go now that she has left GAGE, but reliable guesses have her going to AOGC in California, her home state. If she went there, she would be training with Mattie Larson and Samantha Shapiro (and Hollie Mossett). Certainly that gym would complement her style well. Honestly, it’s hard to understand why she hasn’t shown up at WOGA, since her family is clearly willing to relocate. I’d like to see her go somewhere where she would be pushed to train tougher, harder skills — she’s got the form down — and I actually think either AOGC or WOGA would be good for that.

Amanda Jetter

Jetter now has a DTY and a Patterson dismount on beam, upgraded from a double back. Vault was Jetter’s lowest-scoring event at 2008 Nationals, so that is good news. And her beam is actually quite lovely, with a nice, clean standing Arabian.

Samantha Shapiro:

Had some kind of surgery, but is there.

Cassie Whitcomb:

Apparently Whitcomb has a very nice Hindorff. What’s with all the Hindorffs? Don’t know much about Whitcomb’s bars otherwise …

Jordyn Wieber:

The big news is that she is throwing an apparently solid Amanar. Now, one might think that the last thing a twelve-year-old junior needs is a giant vault leaps and bounds above the capacity of her competition, especially since it’s taxing and she’ll have to do it for three years before she even reaches senior age eligibility. On the other hand, her DTY was ofter over-rotated, suggesting she had extra power. Not sure what to think. Apparently she’s only training twenty-odd hours a week, so Geddert’s doesn’t seem to be breaking her, but on the other hand they seem to focus too much on skills and too little on form. Time will tell ….

Other people rumored to be at the camp but about which I have no information (besides assignments, below), sadly: Alaina Johnson, Mattie Larson, Randi Lau, Corrie Lothrop, Randy Stageberg, Shayla Worley.

Assignments

Top Gym: Charleroi, BEL November 28-30

Wieber and her Geddert’s teammate Kamerin Moore. Cute that they’re going together.

Pan-American Gymnastics Union (PAGU) Individual Event Championships: Buenos Aires, ARG November 19-23

A training squad of seven girls was picked: Jana Bieger, Rebecca Bross, Mackenzie Caquatto, Olivia Courtney, Jetter, Sloan, Whitcomb. Only four will go to PAGU.

NEW 10/12: Hints About International Competitions

Interestingly, Davis said in a recent interview (see above, or Anne’s comment) that she will not be participating in any international competitions until 2009, because of the new CoP. Not sure if this is a decision made by her coach, Kim Zmeskal-Burdette, or by Marta. If it’s Zmeskal-Burdette’s decision, it might be smart, except to the extent that it would provide Davis with international experience (though she seems confident about her place on the team right now, see the interview I keep referring to). If it’s by Marta, she probably is sending out gymnasts who have pretty set, high-scoring routines under this CoP. Davis is working on a lot of upgrades, so it would make sense that she would save them for use under the new CoP. So I’m expecting gymnasts with fewer upgrade plans to compete in the last few events of the year.

Thoughts

My impulse is to feel terrible for Bieger. It’s clear from her (rumored) request in 2007 to be released to Germany that she has had it up to here with USAG. It’s also clear from recent events that Marta Karolyi’s reaction (um … no) was justified: they keep Bieger around in case they need her after injuries. And that has worked out for Bieger in the past. Unfortunately, she’s clearly not one of Marta’s favorites, and that has worked against her. A lot. Now, if she is still going to camps, maybe there is a bright side: maybe she still wants to be involved. Certainly going to camps and accepting a possible international assignment means she isn’t trying to wait out the two years without international competition so that USAG has no more claim over her. Perhaps Bieger is being forgiving, and is sticking with the sport because she loves it ….

Worley is at camp. Her story eerily mirrors that of Chellsie Memmel in the lead-up to ’04 — will Worley stick around? It’s hard to imagine her doing so, what with all the injuries. At this point it seems like it would be a miracle if she could hang on. I’d like to know specifically what she’s been up to.

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11 Responses to "Gossip from the Oct. 6-10 training camp"

Its good to hear what the next generation are adding, training and seeing what the next assignments are.

I did an interview with Chelsea for my site about last week’s training camp. She talks about the camp, and throwing her Hindorff for the first time. Here’s the interview if you want to check it out:
http://www.gymnastike.org/videos/speaker/1685/75117-training-camp-from-chelseas-point-of-view

It’s great to hear what everyone else is doing too. Thanks for the update!

Ha! I was just watching the video when I saw you had commented! Anyway, I used it to flesh out some stuff about Davis, and to wildly speculate about international assignments. 🙂

Gymnastike is amazing! Thanks, Anne!

Shawn needs to get her ass in there. I want her working on harder tricks.

It is interesting to read some of the comments above from someone who hides behind aninimity. 1- Sloan was not at this camp 2- Whitcomb has a great RAY not a HINDORPH and 3- Wiebers entire training regiment is based on FORM and EXECUTION (one of the few athlete NOT to add anything new in verfication …a) too young b) big skills not ready for COMPETITION… but they surely should be TRAINED! Jordyn presented Amanar, a double double and double lay on floor… BUT they were not in her routines…. cause they are not ready 4- suggesting where/what an athlete should train should be considered OUT OF BOUNDS… as we know nothing of your credentials to make such reccomendations

Hi Larry, thanks for reading.

It is interesting to read some of the comments above from someone who hides behind aninimity.

I’m not anonymous in any way. The point of this blog (as with any blog) is to express an opinion or point of view, and that’s what I’m doing! You’re free to take it with a grain of salt, or ignore it, but there’s no need for animosity.

1- Sloan was not at this camp

Yes, I realized that later and forgot to change it. Thanks. 🙂

2- Whitcomb has a great RAY not a HINDORPH

I heard that Whitcomb had a Hindorff. Maybe someone got it wrong, but that’s what I’ve heard so I’ll leave it until I hear otherwise. But of course I’ll also leave your comment!

3- Wiebers entire training regiment is based on FORM and EXECUTION (one of the few athlete NOT to add anything new in verfication …a) too young b) big skills not ready for COMPETITION… but they surely should be TRAINED! Jordyn presented Amanar, a double double and double lay on floor… BUT they were not in her routines…. cause they are not ready 4- suggesting where/what an athlete should train should be considered OUT OF BOUNDS… as we know nothing of your credentials to make such reccomendations

Since I’m not literally telling Jordyn Wieber what to do, I really don’t think it’s wrong of me to express an opinion! (Also some people might disagree with you that Geddert’s stresses form ….) Not to mention that I clearly concluded that only “time will tell.” I’m certainly not going to consider sharing my opinion out of bounds, and you shouldn’t either! But let’s keep it civil. Thanks. 🙂

In an interview when she was just 11 years old, Jordyn Wieber said she trained 7 hours a day, 6 days a week (you can find the interview on YouTube). I can hardly imagine she cut down her training from 42 hours to just “twenty-odd hours”…

Thanks for mentioning that, Salma. I thought I remembered something to that effect too.

Maybe it’s the Shawn Johnson effect?

But yes, hard to believe that a training regimen would change that much …

Just to set the record straight- Wieber trains 30 hours a week.

Marie, I think I’m going to give this one to you. 🙂 Thanks for visiting!

1. Who is Marie?

2. Jess, you rawk. Don’t let meanies like Larry scare you.

3. Larry, keep it coming. Info and disagreement are good.

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